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Post  mastermanyeah on Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:58 am

Hello people, I thought you might like this little teaser to challenge you minds. What is the best thing to do to begin with some people go for pure resources and military, but it can be a bit of a heavy handed approach. Likewise pure diplomatic and resources is very subtle and a good way of slowing people down in development and getting resources without permission with thieves and saboteurs but it is not very good if someone is marching up to your door with an army. Magic in a similar vein is useful when the school of magic is used in conjunction with terrain and can hamper people quite nastily but has the same weaknesses, not to mention the components for the spells. Trade and Resources is good if you ask me since no-one wants to destroy some-one who is supplying them. So what is the best way? This isn't even including the Library which you need to upgrade to get research points to research everything.I personally think that it is an all-rounded approach that means you produce stuff to sell and use for armies and other things, you keep a good army, build a good city wall, upgrade your library to research new units, spells and the like, cast runes, and get diplomats to check out your neighbors intentions. If you have advanced spy's you can find out about any research and work out what they have already researched to get there and what they have most likely got as well by cross-referencing it with the buildings and their level. If you notice any-one sending an army build more units raise tax for a while to pay them and if you want to send some diplomats to cause mayhem while they are attacking. If any-one can find any problems with this or has any questions about the details post a reply and tell me why. I am not the greatest person at Illyriad but I try my best. Please note that you have to keep upgrading you resources as well to make sure you can produce more stuff and get the resources for big buildings quicker. It s boring but it is well worth it

Hope you like it, Mastermanyeah Very Happy

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Re: What is the best thing to do first

Post  Janosch on Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:02 am

Thanks mastermanyeah. That is a good idea.

I think the most important is to upgrade the core buildings: Marketplace, Storehouse, Mage Tower, Library, Consulate and Barracks.

If you want to build armies right at the beginning make sure you have enough cotters and keep collecting herbs, hides, wine and metals to finance your army!

I recommend not to scout or spy active players as this could get you into trouble.

Also it is very important to read all the valuable information you can find in this forum (and also in the general Illyriad forum).
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Post  mastermanyeah on Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:49 am

Hi Janosh. I was just saying if someone if definitely be a good idea to take a look if you look and find the same person near you buying lots of items required to make powerful military units. Also I think that if someone is marching up to your door with an army you are entitled to try and make them back off with diplomats. Another point is that I got most of this stuff from looking at forums suggestions, trying to make them simpler and point out the weaknesses into several specialist approaches and since the slaying runes also kill thieves along with military units while seeking runes only do diplomats of the selected type. Same as before, any problems with this post a reply and I will get round to you at some point Razz  . Hope you like it, mastermanyeah.

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Re: What is the best thing to do first

Post  Janosch on Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:15 pm

Master, everybody that properly plays this game builds up powerful armies. That does not mean it is directed against its neighbours. To scout armies that camp close to your city is allright. But you shall not attack them nor scout (or diplo in general) cities as this could get you into trouble.

I do prefer runes that aim for thieves only. Thieves are by far the most common threat when you are in peace. I see propably 20 thieve attacks on newbies and one other attack. Hence focusing on thieves is the better idea from a statistical perspective.
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Post  mastermanyeah on Sat Aug 03, 2013 10:46 pm

OK thieves are a threat but during tournaments assassins are the big threat, but you also have to deal with armies,since killing runes (i.e Mark of Slaying, Rune of Slaying, Slaying Glyph and so on and so on) do both military units and hostile Diplomats, in this case assassins, they are the better all-round spell. It will kill military units and hostile Diplomats, so it depends on situation. If you can find a problem with this be my guest to point it out. Have a fun time.

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Post  Teragram on Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:48 pm

mastermanyeah wrote:OK thieves are a threat but during tournaments assassins are the big threat, but you also have to deal with armies,since killing runes (i.e Mark of Slaying, Rune of Slaying, Slaying Glyph and so on and so on) do both military units and hostile Diplomats, in this case assassins, they are the better all-round spell. It will kill military units and hostile Diplomats, so it depends on situation. If you can find a problem with this be my guest to point it out. Have a fun time.

Mastermanyeah.

One very important thing to remember. Everything you do in your town depends on basic resources.
MONEY...WOOD...CLAY...IRON...STONE...FOOD [save prestige and claim it every day]
Without these six components you cannot even repair damage done to your library or mage tower.
The biggest threat to your basic supply is thieves.
Commanders can be resurrected, it takes money, thieves steal money .
If your town is under siege you can level your buildings back up with your basic resources. Thieves steal basic resources.
If sabateurs come against you, refer to previous sentence.
For more information about diplomats: http://republic.monsterforum.net/f12-school-of-the-frumentarii

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Post  mastermanyeah on Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:28 pm

Thanks for your opinion Teragram. It is very much appreciated Very Happy . I would just like to say that killing runes (see my last post to see what I mean) do thieves as well as assassins and other diplomats apart from spies and scouts. As it also does military units, since a thief can only take 50 of 1 res, it would only be a temporary setback. So statistical it would take 20 thieves to steal 1K of a res, since most people produce about lets say +300/+400 of a res for the small people (me included Smile ) it would take about 8 thieves to take an hour production. If you think about it like that with numbers they aren't half as bad as people make out. A lot of big players produce maybe 1K-3K depending on taxes the only time they are a real threat is when you are a small player. Another thing is that only T2 thieves are able to steal gold and they take a decent amount of money to upkeep.

Hope this explains what I think about thieves, mastermanyeah.

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Re: What is the best thing to do first

Post  Janosch on Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:51 am

Not sure if you have seen the thieve report? Hundreds of thousends of resources missing. Tens of thousends of advanced resources (swords, armours...).

That is the only real sort of setback newbies will experience. If troops march on a newbie, we can force them to return what they steal. Assasins, Sabs or whatever do not really do any harm at all.

I incist that it is worth running runes particularly against thieves. Big players may have a few tenthousends of thieves. A rune migth not help against this. But in combination with a vault it is the best defence for small players.
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Re: What is the best thing to do first

Post  mastermanyeah on Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:39 pm

Janosch wrote:Not sure if you have seen the thieve report? Hundreds of thousends of resources missing. Tens of thousends of advanced resources (swords, armours...).

That is the only real sort of setback newbies will experience. If troops march on a newbie, we can force them to return what they steal. Assasins, Sabs or whatever do not really do any harm at all.

I incist that it is worth running runes particularly against thieves. Big players may have a few tenthousends of thieves. A rune migth not help against this. But in combination with a vault it is the best defence for small players.

Janosh the big word in there is MAY. Only a few big players would go that far down the thievery route. Also what actually counts as a small player or a newbie? Is it to do with population or city count? In this case it is definitely to do with res production? So what type of res production counts as big? +500 on all of them? Maybe 1K? Maybe 3-4K? What I think is that it is dependent on what you think is big and small and if you are near one of those people who have thousands of thieves (They are far and few between). They would have to spend a huge amount of upkeep to maintain 10K or so theives.

Same as always post a reply if you can find a problem with this. Happy reading, mastermanyeah

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Re: What is the best thing to do first

Post  Janosch on Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:58 pm

A big resource production is more then 4K resources per hour. And yes there are players with more then 10K thieves. If one or more of these players find out that TOR-U members do not adequatly protect against thieves by building vaults, having some thieves when they grow and casting a rune over their city, this might put all new players in TOR-U in danger.

Probably more then 90% of incidences in TOR-U involve thieves. With a ward of intention you will kill 400. With a ward of destruction only 250. Both is not relevant if 10K thieves come (what is indeed rare). But also smaller thieve groups are a problem. So I stick to my recomendation but it is up to you which one you cast.

When I was small I also prefered ward of destruction. To me it appeared you are better protected. But I changed my mind...
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Post  mastermanyeah on Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:28 pm

Janosh, you do have a point on thieves, but very few people are going to send 10K thieves against 1 player. Most people keep a good rune and a decent vault (although I do need to upgrade my vault from level 4), very few players get robbed that badly. Did you get thieved really badly at one point Janosh? You know "Once stung, twice shy"

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Post  Janosch on Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:48 pm

In fact I did not. But I have seen newbies and larger players that have been attacked by thieves many times.

If such a large amount of thieves is send, there is not much you can do anyway. Some do seem to search quite systematically though. I guess when you are small and active in the markets, you are eventually a preferred target. Particularly smaller attacks can be stoped with the vault and the rune.
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Post  mastermanyeah on Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:16 am

Janosh, the only time I have ever been robbed was when I forgot about an alt account and left it for a few weeks and even then I was only stolen from once, ( said person will not be named ) so if you are in an alliance and are active in the GC chances are no-one is going to steal from you, if they think they are going to get thrown in the deep end.
Same as before, mastermanyeah.

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